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Aug 25 2005

“What is Emerging?: A Conversation about a New Kind of Church”

Published by Andre Daley under emerging church

When: Monday, September 12 2005
Where: Grand Rapids Theological Seminary
My Role: Attendee

Brian McLaren will be in Grand Rapids next month for this event;

Details here:

Grand Rapids Theological Seminary is pleased to present Talking Points, a one-day seminar designed for ministry leaders who desire to reflect critically about ministry in the twenty-first century.

Over the past several years the church has witnessed the rise of the “emerging church” movement. While some evangelicals praise the “emerging church”, others condemn it as being outside the camp, and some are completely unfamiliar with it. That is why the seminary, in partnership with Zondervan, has asked Brian McLaren, Mike Wittmer, and Ed Dobson to engage in a conversation and reflect on the background, current state, challenges, potential, and future direction of this movement. This seminar will help you become more informed about the key ideas and issues surrounding the emergent conversation.

Schedule

8:30-9:00 Registration & Refreshments

9:00-10:30 Session 1 - The Emerging Church: Past, Present, and a Kairos Moment

Presenter: Dr. Brian McLaren

10:30-10:45 Break

10:45-11:45 Session 2 - The Emerging Church: A Historical/Theological Professor’s Reflections

Presenter: Dr. Mike Wittmer

11:45-12:45 Lunch at Gainey Conference Center

1:00-2:00 Session 3 - The Emerging Church: A Pastor’s Reflections

Presenter: Dr. Ed Dobson

2:00-2:15 Break

2:15-3:45 Session 4 - The Emergent Conversation: Present and Future & Challenges and Potential

Presenter: Dr. Brian McLaren

3:45-4:30 Session 5 - The Emerging Church: Reflections & Questions
Presenters: Dr. Ed Dobson, Dr. Brian McLaren & Dr. Mike Wittmer
Moderator: Rev. Steve Argue

Featured Speakers

Dr. Brian McLaren

Brian McLaren is the founding pastor of Cedar Ridge Community Church in the Baltimore-Washington area. Brian holds Master of Arts degree in English language. He is the author of multiple books, including A New Kind of Christian, The Story We Find Ourselves In, and A Generous Orthodoxy. Brian is married to Grace, and they have four young adult children.

Dr. Ed Dobson

Ed Dobson is the senior pastor at Calvary Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Ed holds a Master of Arts in religion, as well as a doctorate in higher education. He is the author of multiple books, including: Simplicity:
Finding Order, Freedom and Fulfillment for Your Life
, Starting A Seeker Sensitive Service, and Finding God In the Face of Evil. Ed is married to Lorna, and they have three young adult children.

Dr. Mike Wittmer

Michael Wittmer is the associate professor of systematic theology at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary, where he has taught since 1996. He holds a M.Div. and Th.M. from GRTS, as well as a Ph.D. in systematic theology. Mike is the author of Heaven is a Place on Earth: Why Everything You Do Matters to God. Mike is married to Julie, and they have three young children.

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Aug 25 2005

following jesus into leadership part 2

Published by Andre Daley under emerging church

Are the leadership models of choice more than an reaction to unhealthy leadership patterns of the modern church. Some don’t think so. In response to my previous post and comment on his blog Lucas over a my four walls continues the conversation about the flat model of leadership in the emerging church, by comparing Jesus as pastor and leader to these unhealthy patterns. Our current patterns of living out these biblical leadership roles are distorted. That much is true but I don’t think that means we just swing to the opposite extreme of no leadership no pastor.

Can we acknowledge the distortions as John Frye does, then ask how then should we lead/pastor if we are following Jesus’ pattern? Jesus often pastored "his flock" by  leaving them to go and connecting with God the creator through prayer. That’s pastoring by example. Why don’t we do that instead of saying we don’t need pastors? Jesus lead by serving others can we do that instead of saying we don’t need leaders? Instead of advocating no structures how about cultivating organic structures instead of mechanical ones?

subversive influence also raises some interesting issues

Problems here are (a) the flat model is not non-analogous (by the way, what’s the opposite of analogous, anyway?) to servant leadership, as I would argue servant leadership will naturally exist in flat structures; and (2) effective servant leadership is not necessarily hierarchical (this facet is redundant to the prior point

He also points to a whole other aspect of this distributed leadership the complex Christ where I raised the issue of organic vs mechanical. I think this raises a much more important issue. Is the model of individual professional leadership sustainable for the church moving into the future? Distributed leadership may be the only sustainable way to go.

This raises all bunch of other question about money and the accumulation of wealth being discussed over and into the mystic (Alex McManus blog)

This is a very stimulating question

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