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Apr 23 2009

last day #exponential09 live blog

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9:54:56 AM: #exponential09 eric from community christian just did an awesome intro for francis chan based on a rock song parody

9:55:35 AM: #exponential09 francis chan on stage gushing about the intro he wants a copy on video

9:57:20 AM: #exponential09 telling how he got started church planting told his wife after being married weeks

9:58:10 AM: #exponential09 francis chan wife said I am 100% behind you I’ll follow you

10:00:08 AM: #exponential09 francis chan if you have a spouse who allows you to be who God wants you to be then be very grateful and appreciative

10:04:53 AM: #exponential09 francis chan dislikes the book of Acts because he doesn’t read it & say that is just like us we are diffrence there is a gap

10:06:48 AM: #exponential09 francis chan Acts 2:14Acts 2:14
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Peter Speaks to the Crowd 14 Peter stood with the eleven apostles and spoke in a loud and clear voice to the crowd: Friends and everyone else living in Jerusalem, listen carefully to what I have to say!

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whenthey saw the boldness of Peter and John and knew they were uneducated they were astonished

10:08:30 AM: #exponential09 francis chan ppl aren’t bold we have ppl who are educated but are afraid we don’t act boldly they just depend on pastor

10:10:04 AM: #exponential09 francis chan in Acts Peter & John get out of prison and pray for more boldness and the place shakes

10:11:00 AM: #exponential09 francis chan Paul prayed for boldness was their anyone more bold than Paul but he prayed for more boldness

10:14:21 AM: #exponential09 francis chan intimidated by John Piper every book he has eveer written or talked about writing John Piper does better

10:16:11 AM: #exponential09 francis chan If I could go back and start over I would start with more boldness

10:19:24 AM: #exponential09 francis chan do you remember in sem how they taught the difference btwn exegesis and eisegesis

10:20:59 AM: #exponential09 francis chan eisegesis does a mashup of scriptures to make it work for our agenda

10:23:54 AM: #exponential09 francis chan would you consider getting with the scriptures & just letting the spirit work to show the truth of god’s word

10:24:53 AM: #exponential09 francis chan we do they same thing that cults do we by into systems that aren’t focused on what the scriptures teach

10:26:11 AM: #exponential09 francis chan if we start with scripture? we woudl believe that we need to turn to God and the scriptures & live by the spirit

10:27:32 AM: #exponential09 francis chan we would recieve the promise that this spiritual leading of the spirit is for us & those who are far off

10:28:08 AM: #exponential09 francis chan we would realize that if we don’t have the holy spirit we are screwed

10:28:52 AM: #exponential09 francis chan doesn’t matter what else we have if we have a band a building but not the spirit we are dead

10:31:33 AM: #exponential09 francis chan guy came out of the gangs to his church and then left.

10:32:27 AM: #exponential09 francis chan why because he thought church would be a family like the gang. why are gangs more like family than church

10:33:24 AM: #exponential09 francis chan ppl attracted to gangs because the are doing biblical stuff except for the killing part (laughter)

10:34:24 AM: #exponential09 francis chan we need to believe that the holy spirit is still albe to do incredible stuff

10:35:24 AM: #exponential09 francis chan the spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead is alive in us, do we need to be afraid?

10:37:10 AM: #exponential09 francis chan story of Elijah what Elijah did with his boldness caused other prophets to say Elijah your GOd is real

10:37:46 AM: #exponential09 francis chan are we more like Elijah or the prophets of baal

10:39:36 AM: #exponential09 francis chan james 5;17 Elijah was a man just like us. Elijah has nothing on us. Do we walk with that kind of boldness

10:45:28 AM: #exponential09 francis chan sharing his daughter’s journey in to faith has been touched by the spirit

10:46:17 AM: #exponential09 francis chan his daughter wrote a reflection on her experience and wants to call it from hoochie to holy

10:47:15 AM: #exponential09 francis chan inviting ppl to come forward and be anoint with oil favorite song to play inthe back ground consuming fire

10:47:49 AM: #exponential09 francis chan line in that tim hughes song “there most be more than this”

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Apr 22 2009

workshop 2 day 2 using hte internet to gather disciple and create community

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2:03:12 PM: #exponential09 internet to gather create community keving giddings recommends yourchurch.com postworship.com xpointe.com

2:04:50 PM: #exponential09 recommends park community church, kaleochurch.com

2:08:41 PM: #exponential09 how are we doing evangelism online?

2:09:43 PM: #exponential09 gather non christians, disciple Christians, connect members

2:08:41 PM: #exponential09 how are we doing evangelism online?

2:09:43 PM: #exponential09 gather non christians, disciple Christians, connect members

2:11:29 PM: #exponential09 why web strategy because we are to use all the tools to share faith

2:11:59 PM: #exponential09 most people look to web first to find church

2:12:41 PM: #exponential09 64% of people under 25 spend more time on the web that they do watching TV

2:13:28 PM: #exponential09 web site most effective form of marketing

2:17:56 PM: #exponential09 every site is a sermon it says something

2:18:41 PM: #exponential09 inter to gather andcrea community 3 kinds of sites brochure, dynamic,interactive

2:19:34 PM: #exponential09 brochure web site static content, basic design, printed news letters

2:20:41 PM: #exponential09 dynamic web site information frequent updates

2:24:01 PM: #exponential09 interactive multiple admins email newsletter sign up blogs commenting syndication

2:29:29 PM: #exponential09 move towards web 2.0

2:30:27 PM: #exponential09 collaboration, community, gift economy

2:37:05 PM: #exponential09 88% of web susers went to a search engine first

2:48:54 PM: #exponential09 find a tech savvy person have them get you linked into social networks

2:51:03 PM: #exponential09 don’t have splash page

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Apr 22 2009

#exponential09 live blog day 2 main session 2

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12:20:05 PM: #exponential09 watching video on Abba Love Church in Indonesia

12:22:15 PM: #exponential09 Eddie Lio in video persecution will never kill the church the church will always grow inthe midst of persecution

12:24:33 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love to be a kingdom driven church where every person helps to realize the kingdom

12:26:57 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love vision Purpose Empowering community Achieving maturity Christ centered lving Equipping

12:27:59 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love to bring all domains of life into reconciliation with God, business, art music politics

12:30:13 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love how to discover your domain Passion Pain

12:31:01 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love empowering community is the only way to transform society

12:33:27 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love if you want to become kingdom transformer you have to live in community

12:34:18 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love the more mature we become the more effective we are at kingdom transforming

12:38:15 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love - Christ sentered living in the west we learn from Christ but don’t follow Christ

12:39:00 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love Jesus said follow me first then learn

12:40:34 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love Live painting going on as pastor Eddie from Abba Love speaks

12:40:34 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love Live painting going on as pastor Eddie from Abba Love speaks

12:46:09 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love ppl discovered there domain and make a difference by transforming their world

12:48:25 PM: #exponential09 Abba Love encourage all to become kingdom driven church and now we can learn from each other

12:48:58 PM: #exponential09 bob roberts on stage

12:56:44 PM: #exponential09 Bob roberts its all about the kingdom of God

12:57:35 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts It is about the gospel of hte kingdom of God that is what is working around the world

12:58:26 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts no church planting movements starts because of a great preacher it is about the disciple

12:59:04 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts it encompasses the reconciliation of all things

1:01:14 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts the focus is on the disciple not the preacher

1:03:53 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts all religions are all places which makes for a naked public square and thoughtful communication

1:05:46 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts we are afraid of people that God loves

1:07:46 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts globalization means we are rootless and religion provides roots so religion is growing everywhere

1:09:11 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts church in the west slowed down the church in vietnam because we wanted to brand it

1:10:11 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts knowing other religions isn’t for the experts but everyone who wants to communication Jesus

1:10:23 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts knowing other religions isn’t for the experts but everyone who wants to communicate Jesus

1:10:56 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts Risk is seen in life and death not nickels and noses

1:11:59 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts what are you doing that is taking massive? God has called us to turn the world upside down

1:13:09 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts never vilify another religion don’t tell them what is wrong with their religion but what is right with yours

1:14:25 PM: #exponential09 Bob Roberts we must love others not vilify them why would they want to come to our Jesus

1:14:51 PM: #exponential09 House band back on stage

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Apr 22 2009

#exponential09 efrem smith church planting that transforms community

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10:03:04 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith reading Matt ch 9

10:03:04 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith reading Matt ch 9

10:05:56 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith you have to be more than just a worshipping community if you are to be impactful in an urban context

10:07:21 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith biblical mandate to be about more than just the spiritual transformation of individuals but also community

10:08:29 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith how does churhc planting adress community transformation

10:09:18 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith sometimes it means socioeconomic, and sometimes creating an ethos that speaks to the powers

10:10:09 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith biblical mindset not just rugged individualism but also impacting communities

10:11:28 AM: #exponential09 efrem smith Jesus dealt with social class & gender, & other social dynamics at the same time that he proclaimed the kingdom

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Apr 22 2009

live blogging #exponential09

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8:36:23 AM: #exponential09 want to be an acts 29 church writing the next chapter of the church as it started in acts

8:37:56 AM: #exponential09 onnuri wcreated a chuch that understands the culture and use creativity to connect people to church

8:43:38 AM: #exponential09 reposts onnuri says we need to go back to the basics

8:44:17 AM: #exponential09 church planting is not about copying others or getting ideas from culture it is about going back to the basics of scriptures

8:44:57 AM: #exponential09 repost onnuri focuses on quiet time (daily devotions) & 1 2 1 discipleship, weekly small group

8:46:04 AM: #exponential09 onnuri is in seoul korea and has 65,000has 65,000
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Izbrano poglavje ne obstaja! Štetje svetopisemskih vrstic se začne z 1! Vrstica 0 ne obstaja!

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members in korea japan and missionaries in africa

8:43:38 AM: #exponential09 reposts onnuri says we need to go back to the basics

8:44:17 AM: #exponential09 church planting is not about copying others or getting ideas from culture it is about going back to the basics of scriptures

8:44:57 AM: #exponential09 repost onnuri focuses on quiet time (daily devotions) & 1 2 1 discipleship, weekly small group

8:46:04 AM: #exponential09 onnuri is in seoul korea and has 65,000has 65,000
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Izbrano poglavje ne obstaja! Štetje svetopisemskih vrstic se začne z 1! Vrstica 0 ne obstaja!

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members in korea japan and missionaries in africa

8:48:12 AM: #exponential09 onnuri has passion for people who are not in church not being just like everone else or serving sunday christians

8:48:12 AM: #exponential09 onnuri has passion for people who are not in church not being just like everone else or serving sunday christians

8:48:12 AM: #exponential09 onnuri has passion for people who are not in church not being just like everone else or serving sunday christians

8:52:18 AM: #exponential09 marc choi introduces craig groeschel

8:54:34 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel what we belief determines what we do

8:57:00 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel telling story about his first time serving commuion

8:57:52 AM: #exponential09 Rom 12:2Rom 12:2
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2 Don't be like the people of this world, but let God change the way you think. Then you will know how to do everything that is good and pleasing to him.

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craig groeschel do not be conformed to the patterned of the american church be transformed

8:58:34 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel 3 things God is doing in him

8:59:44 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel a movement is never safe it should be dangerous risky and an adventure

9:00:51 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel church is too safe. NT is a hard core reckless type of faith

9:03:07 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel -did not expect God to show up when he prayed for God tobe revealed to person. why not?

9:03:46 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel -it is not about the package it is about the presence of God

9:04:43 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - just because we believe in God doesn’t mean we are following God

9:05:29 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - luke warm churches create lukewarm churches

9:06:23 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - starting a movement is not about the individual church it is about the kingdom

9:10:12 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - don’t build your church on what it is not about but what it is about what you are not what you are not

9:13:09 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - cannot lead a movement based on the old measurement of success

9:14:13 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - numbers came money attendance are not the only measures of success any more

9:15:00 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - to be truly successful you cannot get caught up on the numbers focus on who you are in Christ

9:16:17 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel -don’t blame yourself for the design or take credit for increases

9:18:11 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel -life church small church with mega vision

9:19:44 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - ben randall illustration from the movie the guardian

9:20:27 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel - success has changed not how many you bring in but how many you send out

9:22:29 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel 3 lines ppl cross I believe in the gospel enough to benefit from it

9:23:02 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel line 2 I belive in the gospel enough to give comfortably

9:24:04 AM: #exponential09 craig groeschel line 3 I believe in the gospel enough to give my life to it

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Apr 22 2009

#exponential09 day 2

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Apr 21 2009

#exponential09 new workshop soli deo gloria hyoe free worship in a hyped up world

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3:23:57 PM: #exponential09

3:24:58 PM: #exponential09 there may be all kinds of people in a worship gathering not that hard to lead Christians

3:25:41 PM: #exponential09 much hard to lead ppl who are not followers of Jesus in worship

3:26:44 PM: #exponential09 when some ppl who are not Jesus followers have a powerful experience in worship it has nothing to do with message

3:27:28 PM: #exponential09 soli gloria/hype free worship with Bert crabbe

3:28:17 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship God has a trap door to help even those who are not Jesus followers experience God

3:29:08 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship it is not about us it is the work of the holy spirit God works for that to happen.

3:30:22 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship - all we can do is create the environment for that to happen. God does not need us

3:31:23 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship - God loves us so God allows us to help so we should not over estimate our role

3:32:12 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -our job is to do the best we can with the part God gives us

3:34:06 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship we don’t need to be like anyone else we just need to do the best with what God has given us

3:37:06 PM: #exponential09 to see an archive of this live blog check out http://www.emergingmosaic.com/

3:38:19 PM: ##exponential09 hype free worship let the mark of our churches be the mission of Jesus

3:39:30 PM: ##exponential09 hype free worship - we need to stop focusing on getting bigger money mo problem mo ppl mo problems

3:40:53 PM: ##exponential09 hype free worship - not getting bigger get better don’t need to get bigger just get many

3:42:55 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship church could become like krispy creme get two big diluted the brand and not be able to do what you do best

3:43:51 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship this guy is a good speaker and great communicator

3:45:28 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship honor God with the best you have to offer

3:47:47 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship talk about what time the down beat is not what time rehearsal starts

3:49:15 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -up to speak Tom Pryor worship leader at Bert’s church

3:49:58 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship - how to stay away from the hype keep the focus on God

3:52:10 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -if you have bad muscians don’t use them don’t create distractions

3:57:35 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship reverence trumps relevance

3:58:07 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -why we do worship determines the how of worship

3:59:29 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -bert crabbe back the stakes are high

3:59:29 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -bert crabbe back the stakes are high

4:02:03 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship -bert crabbe if we do what we do in worship for god’s glory and with the best God will do tremendous things

4:02:21 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship - we get to watch

4:04:49 PM: #exponential09 hype free worship Q&A

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Apr 21 2009

liveblogging the exponential conference check out my web site for posts of these tweets

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12:17:55 PM: efrem smith and eric from community christian on stage

12:19:32 PM: tim keller about to speak by video but Mosaic dance team up first

12:22:56 PM: mosaic dance team urban poets are working it

12:26:13 PM: tim keller planting church is scary every day you wake up and the chasm opens at your feet

12:27:37 PM: if you feel you are always persecuted for the faith you may be obnoxious if never persecuted you are probably a coward

12:31:36 PM: #exponential 09 tim keller planting a church is most like stephen you could get persecuted there could be no church next week so bring it

12:32:04 PM: mosaic urban poets back on stage

12:33:43 PM: pics to come

12:36:26 PM: dave ferguson exponential prez introducing erwin mcanus

12:37:37 PM: #exponential theme the art of movements

12:39:26 PM: erwin mcanus on stage

12:40:47 PM: #exponential 09 mcmanus movements what are we trying to move and where are we trying to move it

12:41:55 PM: #exponential 09 mcmanus we can forget how hard it is to be the rest of the world

12:42:45 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus star trek fan growing up

12:43:17 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus you can be sitting inthe same room and still be disconnected

12:45:02 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus easy to keep people as strangers keeping our personal space

12:45:24 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus reading acts 17

12:46:25 PM: #exponential 09 theme scripture acts 17:27-28acts 17:27-28
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27 Ws God has done all this, so that we will look for him and reach out and find him. He isn't far from any of us, 28 and he gives us the power to live, to move, and to be who we are. “We are his children,” just as some of your poets have said.

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12:47:38 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus Paul on a journey between spaces in the passage at least 3

12:49:47 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus 1st space people worshipping false Gods but wnet a spoke in the temple since he was most comfortable

12:51:09 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus sometimes we just plant churches for church people and not our world

12:52:50 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus churches are so homogeneous because we really only like people who are just like us

12:53:32 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus we need a church planting movement based on love which covers all irrelevance

12:54:32 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus 1st space contemporary church movement create spaces to invite people into

12:57:48 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus our dream for mosaic where the scientologist brings the atheist and we all find our way to God

12:58:16 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus we need to be a city of others and do the 1st space well

12:58:59 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus the second space the marketplace everyone lives there

1:05:00 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus telling story about sharing with an obnoxious but open woman who needed to hear how God works in pain

1:08:08 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus ppl everywhere looking for ppl who express God’s presence ppl in the marketplace (2nd space) r open

1:09:16 PM: #exponential 09 27 “His purpose was for the nations to seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him

1:09:49 PM: http://twitpic.com/3q3pg - Mosaic dance team

1:10:00 PM: #exponential 09 —though he is not far from any one of us.
28 For in him we live and move and exist.

1:11:41 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus if we don’t know how to relate to the real world we can’t start churches that know how to

1:13:13 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus is it possible humanity has rejected the narcissistic gospel the real gospel cost too much

1:14:38 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcmanus Jesus most heroic act of sacrifice so that we could live heroic lives for humanity is the gospel

1:15:34 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcmanus we have spent the last several years trying to force people to see things our way instead of earning respect

1:17:24 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus thought about chucking relationship to humanity called heretic death threats son acosted

1:19:26 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to bring it to life

1:22:26 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus two greeks converted as a result of paul going into the 3rd space at mars hill

1:23:14 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus when we move in the 3rd space we will lose our space and face the criticism of the christians ppl

1:24:55 PM: #exponential 09 erwin mcanus we need churches and church planters who are willing to risk popularity to do something that matters

1:25:55 PM: #exponential 09 eric back on stage showing funny sponsor video

1:31:03 PM: http://twitpic.com/3q581 - Erwin Mcmanus

1:33:18 PM: #exponential09 still follow using the hash tag. on to workshops

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Apr 10 2009

post- Christian or post religious

This entry is part 4 of 4 in the series post-religious faith

The cover story of this week’s edition of Newsweek is the Decline and fall of Christian America. The author John Meachem, a self described flawed Christian (from the Episcopalian tribe) discusses the shift in the American religious landscape.  On MSNBC this morning Meachem and Tim Keller from Redeemer Church in NYC discussed the story, here are a couple of their observations.

Tim Keller:

  • There is a shift in the evangelical population that used to be more blue collar. More are going to college and  have dveloped a different take on the Christian faith.
  • Many people of faith want to take their faith beyond just two issues into the public sphere of the academy, Hollywood, and even wall street.
  • Some peopleof faith see all of life as being a part of faith

Meachem:

  •  The political recent experiment of Christian America in the political sphere has failed.
  • There is a difference between Christianity and Christianized America
  • More people of faith have less allegiance and trust in religious institutions, so the church has to figure out what to with that.
  • Many people of faith have become more seeks that religious adherents

So American is becoming less religious but not necessarily less Christian?  Last September at the religious news writers association I shared during a panel discussion that I thought American culture was decidedly less religious but still very open to the Christian faith.  More prominent authors like Greg Boyd Myth of a Christian Nation has written about this. Julia Duin in her book Quitting Church also speaks to the shifting tide that Meachem addresses.

Other people of faith are convinced this shift means the end of Christianity as we know it in America.They may be right. It may be the end of the practice of the Christian faith as we have known it.  But it does not mean the end of  the Christians faith. We can no longer do business as usual. But changing our approach to practicing the Christian faith does not mean the death of the christian message.

So are we in a post-christian era or a post religious era?

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Apr 10 2009

post- Christian or post religious

This entry is part 4 of 4 in the series post-religious faith

The cover story of this week’s edition of Newsweek is the Decline and fall of Christian America. The author John Meachem, a self described flawed Christian (from the Episcopalian tribe) discusses the shift in the American religious landscape.  On MSNBC this morning Meachem and Tim Keller from Redeemer Church in NYC discussed the story, here are a couple of their observations.

Tim Keller:

  • There is a shift in the evangelical population that used to be more blue collar. More are going to college and  have dveloped a different take on the Christian faith.
  • Many people of faith want to take their faith beyond just two issues into the public sphere of the academy, Hollywood, and even wall street.
  • Some peopleof faith see all of life as being a part of faith

Meachem:

  •  The political recent experiment of Christian America in the political sphere has failed.
  • There is a difference between Christianity and Christianized America
  • More people of faith have less allegiance and trust in religious institutions, so the church has to figure out what to with that.
  • Many people of faith have become more seeks that religious adherents

So American is becoming less religious but not necessarily less Christian?  Last September at the religious news writers association I shared during a panel discussion that I thought American culture was decidedly less religious but still very open to the Christian faith.  More prominent authors like Greg Boyd Myth of a Christian Nation has written about this. Julia Duin in her book Quitting Church also speaks to the shifting tide that Meachem addresses.

Other people of faith are convinced this shift means the end of Christianity as we know it in America.They may be right. It may be the end of the practice of the Christian faith as we have known it.  But it does not mean the end of  the Christians faith. We can no longer do business as usual. But changing our approach to practicing the Christian faith does not mean the death of the christian message.

So are we in a post-christian era or a post religious era?

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